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Mouth-For-War · Apr 25, 2005, 09:17 PM // 21:17

Can a ranger use conjure lightning/fire/frost or can't they? Iv heard they changed it so only lightning staffs can use conj lightning and so forth, then I heard a ranger with a lighting bow (bow string?) can use it. If this is true, is it the same for warriors with elemental swords? Please enlighten me.

I know there are many discussions on this topic already, but the reason I ask is I've heard many differnt things and want to get it strait once and for all.

Zarconis · Apr 25, 2005, 09:21 PM // 21:21

Seems like a Q&A post to me AND one that could be answer by using the SEARCH function.

Conjure now only works in conjuction with an elemental weapon. Such as a elemental string for Bows or hilt for swords and so forth.

Mouth-For-War · Apr 25, 2005, 09:25 PM // 21:25

Thank you for answering my question. Im very sorry if this was the wrong section to post in, but as for searching, like I said I've seen differnt things and just wanted to know for sure

Zarconis · Apr 25, 2005, 09:27 PM // 21:27

Well then, to answer more appropriately. I wills say that YES they can use them, but you need to find the corresponding elemental "piece" to make it work. Also, in the Ranger's case you'll be forfeiting the Zealous String to use it which add +1 energy per hit (I believe).

Weezer_Blue · Apr 25, 2005, 09:36 PM // 21:36

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Originally Posted by Mouth-For-War

Can a ranger use conjure lightning/fire/frost or can't they? Iv heard they changed it so only lightning staffs can use conj lightning and so forth, then I heard a ranger with a lighting bow (bow string?) can use it. If this is true, is it the same for warriors with elemental swords? Please enlighten me.

I know there are many discussions on this topic already, but the reason I ask is I've heard many differnt things and want to get it strait once and for all.

Any class can use Conjure ____ to add damage to their weapon's attacks, however, you must have the propper weapon modifyers. For instance, if a Ranger wished to use Conjure Frost, he would need an Icey Bow String. Or if a Ranger wanted to use Conjure Lightning, he would need a Shocking Bow String. So really, it's not worth it anymore.

Vermilion Okeanos · Apr 25, 2005, 11:10 PM // 23:10

You know what is funny?

During the April BWE I had experience using PvP made R/E to conjur a bow that is not elemental @_@ and it still works fine... And while during March BWE, I wasn't able to conjur my bow with my E/R... Right now, I am just waiting for the release to check it again, once and for all.

Dovi the Monk · Apr 26, 2005, 12:20 AM // 00:20

the conjures used to be that awsome weapon modifer, but it was nerfed down in damage and now in the bow strongs. it can still be useful but instead of just being able to add it to your ranger to make it hve awsome damage, not so much anymore.

using the conjure flame, mark of rodgort, glyph of lesser energy u can deal some very nice damage

Valerius · Apr 26, 2005, 12:30 AM // 00:30

so.... what would be a better choice if it came down to this....

going Monk for the Judge's Insight?... or going Ele for the Conjure?

i first thought of going Monk... but then i was told that JI takes a lot of energy to having to keep on recasting it every 8 sec... so then i decided to go Ele for Conjure... but now u have to have a " " string to just have that one move...

JeshterDaggerfury · Apr 26, 2005, 12:35 AM // 00:35

Yeah, I didn't know that either. This whole week I had thought about making a shock sniper. Screw that.

I might end up being a Ranger/Monk Barragebot now. Perhaps a Trapper.

I've also been toying with the idea of Pure Ranger, Incendiary Arrows and Ignite Arrows. Possibly with a pet, as useless as they might be.

Ensign · Apr 26, 2005, 12:51 AM // 00:51

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Originally Posted by Valerius

i first thought of going Monk... but then i was told that JI takes a lot of energy to having to keep on recasting it every 8 sec...

Pump Smiting to get that up to 15 seconds or so. Yes, it's energy intensive, but that's what Zealous is for.

Conjure * is solid - cheap, long lasting, high damage - but you have to weigh it against the versatility you give up by taking an Elementalist secondary over a Monk secondary. I think it's a pretty tight race but I personally side with flexibility for RP characters.

Peace,
-CxE

Valerius · Apr 26, 2005, 12:57 AM // 00:57

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with flexibility for RP characters.

wat does RP stand for?

Xellos · Apr 26, 2005, 12:59 AM // 00:59

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Originally Posted by Ensign

Pump Smiting to get that up to 15 seconds or so. Yes, it's energy intensive, but that's what Zealous is for.

Conjure * is solid - cheap, long lasting, high damage - but you have to weigh it against the versatility you give up by taking an Elementalist secondary over a Monk secondary. I think it's a pretty tight race but I personally side with flexibility for RP characters.

Peace,
-CxE

But pound for pound, is JI stronger then Conjure when it comes to damage dealing?

Valerius · Apr 26, 2005, 01:01 AM // 01:01

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But pound for pound, is JI stronger then Conjure when it comes to damage dealing?

yeah.... i think so anyways... cause it does have the 20% Armor Penetration... doesn't that cause it to do more damage?

Vermilion Okeanos · Apr 26, 2005, 01:17 AM // 01:17

To do more damage...
If you have high attack power for each shot, go for the percentage... if you have low power each shot, go for the +.

Personally, I would go for a conjur... due to high resistance those warriors' got with their armor going against physical damages... + conjur is low expensive on the energy. (since I would be using elemental bow, I can hit the wariors pretty hard even without any enchantment)

Then again... if using elemental bow and meet a ranger instead... don't expect any high damage either... @_@

But at least with conjur, you can actually ask someone to enchant you with judge's insight while still have conjur... while the other way around does not apply.

tektonik · Apr 26, 2005, 01:45 AM // 01:45

Warriors shouldn't be your primary target and monks have + elemental IIRC

I am probably wrong thats how it was last year when I actually looked at all the armors

Ensign · Apr 26, 2005, 02:53 AM // 02:53

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Originally Posted by Xellos

But pound for pound, is JI stronger then Conjure when it comes to damage dealing?

Well Judge's Insight adds 23% damage, and that stacks with skills. If you're chaining skills, that'll be on par with a ~9 Conjure on damage, but more expensive.

Of course you get Zealous. Plus other Monk skills.

Peace,
-CxE

Gh0sT · Apr 26, 2005, 11:13 AM // 11:13

Im also struggeling a bit between these (and Mesmer a bit), i think the best approach would be to just try them all out and see what fits you best... thought thats time consuming and i hate that :P

Xellos · Apr 26, 2005, 11:25 AM // 11:25

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Originally Posted by Ensign

Well Judge's Insight adds 23% damage, and that stacks with skills. If you're chaining skills, that'll be on par with a ~9 Conjure on damage, but more expensive.

Of course you get Zealous. Plus other Monk skills.

Peace,
-CxE

But alone it doesn't right? Like Barrage+JI < Barrage+Conjure? Or Dual Shot+Conjure > Dual Shot+JI?

I'm not really high on the preps like Read the wind, since the way I see it, the time you take stacking up that damage is basically a elementalist casting time. I'm sort of using the mentality of sustainable, not spike. So just plain figures will do.

Nash · Apr 26, 2005, 12:23 PM // 12:23

JI is +10 to +11 on Barrage, and +7 to +8 on normal attacks. Conjure beats it for damage output, but you will miss out on infinite energy.

Gh0sT · Apr 26, 2005, 12:55 PM // 12:55

Another quick question in between... i know barrage is a sort of AoE skill...

But what if ur facing only 1 opponent, can of the 5 arrows lets say 3 hit that same target, or is it just 1 arrow per person in that AoE.